Samsung’s 5nm EUV Technology Gets Closer: Tools by Cadence & Synopsys Certified

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• Gondalf - Monday, July 8, 2019 - link

  Marketing, they are not out with 7nm yet......little sense to speak about a finer process when we not even know how perform 7nm (and IF it perform in power consumption and power).
  The foundry market is in a strange situation indeed, the powerpoint slides are the real power today.

• danielfranklin - Monday, July 8, 2019 - link

  Of course it is, but its important to know that things are on track.
  Samsung are working very hard to win back the clients TSMC drew in with their early 7nm node.
  Its great news that Samsung are already well under way on what is essentially their 2nd gen EUV node, you will appreciate it in 2021...

• FreckledTrout - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link

  All the process names are marketing and have been for quite a few years. I don't believe they can get all the front end an back end process at 5nm on FinFET. Its why both TSMC and Samsung are looking at moving to GAAFET for proper 5nm. Kind of like how TSMC's first 7nm really is only some front end processes at that feature size so its not really 7nm until they switch to EUV.

• PeachNCream - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link

  Even if the numbering is meaningless marketing, the improvements in performance and power consumption (assuming those are accurate) are still a good thing.

• JSS - Sunday, September 29, 2019 - link

  So because you don't believe they can do something it has to be a lie? What kind of moronic logic is that? Are the transistors in the 7LPP not 7nm in size? And 5nm in size in the 5LPE?

• Dragonstongue - Monday, July 8, 2019 - link

  less than pocket change for them considering how long and how often they effectively "fleeced" untold billions over the years with the seemingly non stop "we hit a golden record for our production" followed by an equally quick "supply is not meeting up with demand so we have no choice but to jack the price of everything containing X, Y, Z, sometimes W as of late even V which stands for "very important we get more billions to use the excuse that production is down year on year as not as many buying, so we really have no choice but to go with lower performing but higher cost products don't you worry soon we will go to the next generation and start it all over again, oh and the billions in port of call charges we "pass the savings unto you" as that 1 penny we REALLY needs so we will slap an extra, ummm, 110% (or more) just to make sure we always stay ahead (producing things that cost very very few dollars when all is said and done (but this profit sure is AWESOME shhhh our secret)
  
  On another note, how in the #%#$ f #$% does AMD hit their mile stone and launch "perfectly" yet their "share price" has basically not bloody well budged, correct me if I am wrong, Intel or Nvidia can release something that is very "dead in the water" yet their share price goes UP like a "atta boy, you tried" in this case make an over $1k CPU and basically similar for GPU as well as the "system" irrelevant to purchase, but share price stays where it is.....#$%$#% and even more @#$% is wrong with people's heads, I seriously question all this #$%#$%.....

• Rudde - Monday, July 8, 2019 - link

  I usually go with the rule "people are stupid" when trying to understand how masses of people behave.

• rpg1966 - Monday, July 8, 2019 - link

  All those words to say "I don't understand markets".

• Eliadbu - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link

  The lack of coherence in your writing is striking.
  Go back and rethink well what you want to say, then try to write as clear as possible with proper linguistic structure and without rubbish mixed in. So maybe then people will take you seriously.

• Spunjji - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link

  This is the new standard of speech on the internet. I have found that if you criticise people writing (or speaking) vapid nonsense in this incoherent manner, you will frequently get a response saying something like:
  1) That's an ad-hominem (it's not)
  2) Argue against my points, not my style (even though it is impossible to decode any "point")
  3) I can't help it if you're too stupid to understand my point (projection)
  Etc.
  
  Discourse is dying; an endless torrent of low-grade "truthy" nonsense and pithy comebacks is its replacement. Many people now think their own uninformed opinions are more valid than subject experts and well-sourced journalism; these same people think they have an inalienable right to spam them wherever a box exists for them to type into. They think any opposition to this tide of nonsense is "censorship" and any factual disagreement is a conspiracy.
  
  But hey, at least this guy's only ranting about silicon fabrication. It's almost benign in its pointlessness.