Oak Trail is a early 2011 part. I have doubts on the device in terms of battery life though. Windows based UMPCs have a limit on how much low you can get.
I think it'll be a 4 hour battery life looking at the size.
I always miss something in my comments. In forums, the EDIT button saves me but not here!
Another doubt is the price. That doesn't look cheap at all. It does look pretty good though. If they price it at $500 it could be popular. Do it Ocosmos!
I can see myself owning one at $299 or under, where that would be the intro price. Falling to $250 after a decent shelf-life.
Pros: - form factor - design - dpad
Possible Cons: - 32GB vs 64+ - camera quality (rear should be 5MP+, front should be 3MP) - GPS accuracy (?) - screen quality (?) [new iPhone screen is what every device should be] - speaker quality
The thing that I'm really looking for is a smartdevice that has a decent GPS antenna. The radio on these things are week and the accuracy is not good enough. I want an application that will order a pizza and have it delivered to youuu, whether you're in a park or down an alley, so long as you don't move your relative location in an hour. -- Same for finding friends. If I'm at a concert I want to be able to find someone, not know they're at a concert and can be in a sea of 1,000 people.
Other things I'd like future devices to have: - pico projector
I agree netbooks aren't up to spec, but there's also a larger cost with netbooks; especially given larger parts (cost of materials).
You're making two mistakes: 1) Cost != Price 2) You can't take the retail value of one piece, bundling causes parts to be cheaper when sold as a set, the markup would be on the whole product, not the retail value of each diode.
Devices like this always fail. You cannot compete with commodity devices for which the main draw is the ubiquity, and thus software support, of the platform, with a device that has better hardware specs. The market is not there for devices like this. The vast majority of people want to know that they are buying into a platform with market support (even if they don't consciously realize that - to them it's just about buying "the cool device that everyone else is buying"), which devices like this do not and never will have.
Off the top of my head I can think of a few devices that were produced out of the exact same business logic and that failed:
- Tapwave (Palm competitor) - Palm Pre (iPhone competitor) - That new Microsoft "social" cell phone, whatever it was called (iPhone competitor)
There are hundreds, if not thousands, more, that others could name as well.
This device will fail - if it ever actually gets sold in the market in the first place, that is. So we can add a new one to the list:
How is there not software support?!? It's running Windows 7 with an x86 processor.... you can't get more "ubiquitous" than that. Sure some games and programs might need a couple tweaks for the use of thumbsticks, but your point is pretty invalid.
The "social" cell phone was called the kin and it failed because it not only required a data plan while being crippled, but also ran $200 for something whose hardware only just began to compete with the iPhone's. The advertising campaigns were pretty damn stupid as well, in my opinion.
Saying that this is a competitor to the iPad is incorrect as well. Sure as hell seems to be a PSP competitor instead. the iPad is the perfectly awkward size where it's impossible to carry around, this device would fit in a large pocket (abiet just barely).
The problem is that this will cost much more than a PSP. It will be priced more like the iPad, or maybe even higher. It will also have to compete against the iPod touch (you can say that it is not a gaming device, but many kids I know who have touches use it just for entertainment and games, and not much else). I'm not convinced yet that Windows 7 is the way to go for a device like this.
I really can't see this being a mainstream success...
Agreed that Win7 OS is the wrong choice for it. Maybe Intel's MeeGo might be a better offering but drop the QT layer ... Need a lean and mean OS like the PSP and NDS platforms. They need to create development environment in PC and Mac to get the games churning out quick. Well, making it dual boot to Win7 might be a good thing but not being used as primary OS for games.
Personally, I never had a problem with Windows Mobile. I haven't had many PDAs but I did own a few Palms and then a few Handsprings as well as Compaq iPaq and the Dell Axim.
While there was negatives about the WM OS, I personally liked the fact that it was Windows, Start-menu driven.
I think the change that I'd make is the ability to customize/expand the Taskbar for bigger buttons (more effective touch-screen). I haven't had the chance to play with Win7 on mobile devices, perhaps that's an option. I'd put the taskbar on the right or left and make it wider.
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I can't figure out who this would sell to. It doesn't look like a very good Windows device. it doesn't look like they can really have any hope at all of getting any kind of action game on it. Little Windows software will be useful on this thing.
Some may look at this and think that Win Mobile functioned, sort of, and software worked there. But that wasn't windows, despite the name, this is. They will need an entirely new group of developers to work on the small screen and the weak processing. Then what will battery life be? Not more than a few hours. Will that be acceptable for a Windows device? Would that be acceptable for a gaming device?
And what would this replace? People have smartphones, do they really NEED this? It's not like a 10" tablet which is roomier. This is smaller than the Streak. Maybe 3 hours of battery life.
You wont need specific games or developers for this. Any game will scale down to the res of this screen, and at that res and with low settings i can see it playing 95%+ of PC games when you consider all the older stuff that would definitely run on this too.
This isn't remotely even meant to compete with a smart phone either. This has hardware dedicated to gaming, it's closest competitor is the PSP. It's basically a PSP with way more games and abilities.
I think you've completely missed the point and have a small imagination.
I don't think that many are going to buy an expensive new device to play old games at low settings. If the *real* handheld game consoles get all the latest games (special versions optimized for those devices), while OCS1 owners are limited to older games, it's not going to be popular. It's not just about the graphics - you've already played through your old games on the PC or console. Also, it's the latest games that everyone is talking about, which is important for the younger generation.
As for new games, many don't scale very well below a certain point. A new game at the lowest settings might actually look far worse than an older game at high settings, while still not running that well on modern hardware.
It might have been nice to get an impression of trying some games on this gaming device... Physical impressions aren't nearly as important as functionality and performance. Look at the PSP, after all; it's notoriously uncomfortable to play a game using the analog stick, but that hasn't stopped it from being a big success. The thing won't get very far as a gaming device if it isn't powerful enough to play any actual games.
Even if this ATOM PROCESSOR had the graphics power of the new Sandy Bridge IGP or a discrete GPU, the CPU would bottleneck, making any 3-D game made within the last 2-3 years unplayable.
However, this mind find a niche for ROM emulation... but doubtful.
Hmmmm.... Ocosmos => "O cosmos" = "The world" in Greeklish (Greek with Latin letters)
The D-pads are great idea. fr500 is right. They don't have to invest in gaming. MAME on a mobile machine is a killer and there are thousand games all ready there. Classic games with gameplay, not only graphics. Forget 3D and frames/second. It is secondary here. Gameplay is the most important feature.
Where the hell are the 6 buttons in two rows on the right? And what the f is the 2nd d-pad for? This thing can never be as good as a PSP or any other good handheld device becuase it doesnt have the proper button layout. What if I want to play some street fighter or mortal kombat?
I absolutely hate how gaming and tech sites call those plastic circles "D-pads." A D-pad isn't a circle, its a piece of plastic in the shape of a cross, not a circle. That's why all the fighters on XBOX suck total balls because they don't have a real d-pad. This thing is not only ugly, but has the terrible "flat joysticks" (what I call 'em, more truthful).. so I can't see it doing very well. Nice try though...
Halo 3? Is that even coming out for PC? If so, I imagine it's about 10 years after it's released on the noobsticks. And last I heard Alan Wake is now gay, which means it'll be on the noobmachines instead of PC. :(
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BPB - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
I can see myself owning this if they get it working well.IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
Oak Trail is a early 2011 part. I have doubts on the device in terms of battery life though. Windows based UMPCs have a limit on how much low you can get.I think it'll be a 4 hour battery life looking at the size.
IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
I always miss something in my comments. In forums, the EDIT button saves me but not here!Another doubt is the price. That doesn't look cheap at all. It does look pretty good though. If they price it at $500 it could be popular. Do it Ocosmos!
vol7ron - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
I guess we have different price concepts.I can see myself owning one at $299 or under, where that would be the intro price. Falling to $250 after a decent shelf-life.
Pros:
- form factor
- design
- dpad
Possible Cons:
- 32GB vs 64+
- camera quality (rear should be 5MP+, front should be 3MP)
- GPS accuracy (?)
- screen quality (?) [new iPhone screen is what every device should be]
- speaker quality
The thing that I'm really looking for is a smartdevice that has a decent GPS antenna. The radio on these things are week and the accuracy is not good enough. I want an application that will order a pizza and have it delivered to youuu, whether you're in a park or down an alley, so long as you don't move your relative location in an hour. -- Same for finding friends. If I'm at a concert I want to be able to find someone, not know they're at a concert and can be in a sea of 1,000 people.
Other things I'd like future devices to have:
- pico projector
IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
Even Netbooks that are designed from the ground up to be cheap barely meets your standards.32GB SSD probably costs $150 by itself.
vol7ron - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - link
I agree netbooks aren't up to spec, but there's also a larger cost with netbooks; especially given larger parts (cost of materials).You're making two mistakes:
1) Cost != Price
2) You can't take the retail value of one piece, bundling causes parts to be cheaper when sold as a set, the markup would be on the whole product, not the retail value of each diode.
bji - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
Devices like this always fail. You cannot compete with commodity devices for which the main draw is the ubiquity, and thus software support, of the platform, with a device that has better hardware specs. The market is not there for devices like this. The vast majority of people want to know that they are buying into a platform with market support (even if they don't consciously realize that - to them it's just about buying "the cool device that everyone else is buying"), which devices like this do not and never will have.Off the top of my head I can think of a few devices that were produced out of the exact same business logic and that failed:
- Tapwave (Palm competitor)
- Palm Pre (iPhone competitor)
- That new Microsoft "social" cell phone, whatever it was called (iPhone competitor)
There are hundreds, if not thousands, more, that others could name as well.
This device will fail - if it ever actually gets sold in the market in the first place, that is. So we can add a new one to the list:
- Ocosmos OCS1 (iPad competitor)
Ryanman - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
How is there not software support?!? It's running Windows 7 with an x86 processor.... you can't get more "ubiquitous" than that. Sure some games and programs might need a couple tweaks for the use of thumbsticks, but your point is pretty invalid.The "social" cell phone was called the kin and it failed because it not only required a data plan while being crippled, but also ran $200 for something whose hardware only just began to compete with the iPhone's. The advertising campaigns were pretty damn stupid as well, in my opinion.
Saying that this is a competitor to the iPad is incorrect as well. Sure as hell seems to be a PSP competitor instead. the iPad is the perfectly awkward size where it's impossible to carry around, this device would fit in a large pocket (abiet just barely).
kmmatney - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
The problem is that this will cost much more than a PSP. It will be priced more like the iPad, or maybe even higher. It will also have to compete against the iPod touch (you can say that it is not a gaming device, but many kids I know who have touches use it just for entertainment and games, and not much else). I'm not convinced yet that Windows 7 is the way to go for a device like this.I really can't see this being a mainstream success...
fteoath64 - Friday, September 17, 2010 - link
Agreed that Win7 OS is the wrong choice for it. Maybe Intel's MeeGo might be a better offering but drop the QT layer ... Need a lean and mean OS like the PSP and NDS platforms. They need to create development environment in PC and Mac to get the games churning out quick.Well, making it dual boot to Win7 might be a good thing but not being used as primary OS for games.
vol7ron - Friday, September 17, 2010 - link
I disagree. Win7 is a huge selling point to me.Personally, I never had a problem with Windows Mobile. I haven't had many PDAs but I did own a few Palms and then a few Handsprings as well as Compaq iPaq and the Dell Axim.
While there was negatives about the WM OS, I personally liked the fact that it was Windows, Start-menu driven.
I think the change that I'd make is the ability to customize/expand the Taskbar for bigger buttons (more effective touch-screen). I haven't had the chance to play with Win7 on mobile devices, perhaps that's an option. I'd put the taskbar on the right or left and make it wider.
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Thursday, 21 October 2010 at 9:48 PM
melgross - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
I can't figure out who this would sell to. It doesn't look like a very good Windows device. it doesn't look like they can really have any hope at all of getting any kind of action game on it. Little Windows software will be useful on this thing.Some may look at this and think that Win Mobile functioned, sort of, and software worked there. But that wasn't windows, despite the name, this is. They will need an entirely new group of developers to work on the small screen and the weak processing. Then what will battery life be? Not more than a few hours. Will that be acceptable for a Windows device? Would that be acceptable for a gaming device?
And what would this replace? People have smartphones, do they really NEED this? It's not like a 10" tablet which is roomier. This is smaller than the Streak. Maybe 3 hours of battery life.
B3an - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
You wont need specific games or developers for this. Any game will scale down to the res of this screen, and at that res and with low settings i can see it playing 95%+ of PC games when you consider all the older stuff that would definitely run on this too.This isn't remotely even meant to compete with a smart phone either. This has hardware dedicated to gaming, it's closest competitor is the PSP.
It's basically a PSP with way more games and abilities.
I think you've completely missed the point and have a small imagination.
JimmiG - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - link
I don't think that many are going to buy an expensive new device to play old games at low settings. If the *real* handheld game consoles get all the latest games (special versions optimized for those devices), while OCS1 owners are limited to older games, it's not going to be popular. It's not just about the graphics - you've already played through your old games on the PC or console. Also, it's the latest games that everyone is talking about, which is important for the younger generation.As for new games, many don't scale very well below a certain point. A new game at the lowest settings might actually look far worse than an older game at high settings, while still not running that well on modern hardware.
Guspaz - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
It might have been nice to get an impression of trying some games on this gaming device... Physical impressions aren't nearly as important as functionality and performance. Look at the PSP, after all; it's notoriously uncomfortable to play a game using the analog stick, but that hasn't stopped it from being a big success. The thing won't get very far as a gaming device if it isn't powerful enough to play any actual games.therealnickdanger - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
Games:Solitaire... Spider Solitaire... Hearts... Freecell... Pinball (requires RAM upgrade).
Even if this ATOM PROCESSOR had the graphics power of the new Sandy Bridge IGP or a discrete GPU, the CPU would bottleneck, making any 3-D game made within the last 2-3 years unplayable.
However, this mind find a niche for ROM emulation... but doubtful.
therealnickdanger - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
Yes, I'm replying to myself...It just occurred to me that this could be very cool to use in the event that cloud-based gaming ever actually works.
fr500 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
Perfect for MAME, and 16 bit emulators, best way to replay old classics without them looking awful on a big screen LCDyannigr - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
Hmmmm.... Ocosmos => "O cosmos" = "The world" in Greeklish (Greek with Latin letters)The D-pads are great idea. fr500 is right. They don't have to invest in gaming. MAME on a mobile machine is a killer and there are thousand games all ready there. Classic games with gameplay, not only graphics. Forget 3D and frames/second. It is secondary here. Gameplay is the most important feature.
melgross - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
That's not a real market for a product. If that's the best use for this, then they may as well not bother.CptTripps - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
If they can get it to run WoW then it will sell.ibex333 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
Where the hell are the 6 buttons in two rows on the right? And what the f is the 2nd d-pad for? This thing can never be as good as a PSP or any other good handheld device becuase it doesnt have the proper button layout. What if I want to play some street fighter or mortal kombat?wizdum - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
I absolutely hate how gaming and tech sites call those plastic circles "D-pads." A D-pad isn't a circle, its a piece of plastic in the shape of a cross, not a circle. That's why all the fighters on XBOX suck total balls because they don't have a real d-pad. This thing is not only ugly, but has the terrible "flat joysticks" (what I call 'em, more truthful).. so I can't see it doing very well. Nice try though...Belard - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
Or any other Windows game... but since MS doesn't support Windows gaming, isn't it kind useless?Halo3? Or even the 3+ year Year late Allan Wake?
wizdum - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link
Halo 3? Is that even coming out for PC? If so, I imagine it's about 10 years after it's released on the noobsticks. And last I heard Alan Wake is now gay, which means it'll be on the noobmachines instead of PC. :(hansel2099 - Saturday, September 18, 2010 - link
Dios mio que maquina cual sera el precio ajajjajajajaj me gusta ese ocosmosCannedTurkey - Monday, September 20, 2010 - link
I agree, even if the GMA600 is twice as fast as the GMA500, it's still 2x too slow to play even the crappier games on Steam.fatimat007 - Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - link
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