I am with meacupla. I really like the quality of EVGA and the company. I have been wishing that they would make motherboards for AMD and AMD graphics for years.
When there's only 4 manufacturers for AMD boards, more are needed. If you boycott MSI for its retaliatory, hostile practices with smaller review sites, that leaves three to pick from. If you boycott ASRock because they blacklisted Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus for showing how poor value and badly designed some models of their Intel / AMD boards were, then suddenly you only have GB or ASUS to pick from. And neither company did particularly well on the value or VRM aspects of their boards with B550 compared to MSI...
So....the solution to this is massively overpriced EVGA E-ATX boards? Or should I say board, since EVGA makes a whopping single model. Also, you do realize that outside of EVGA, intel LGA 1200 consumer boards are also only MSI, gigabye, asus, and asrock? Biostar makes boards for both when they are not asleep at the wheel, and there are not any other players left.
Oh, playing the "moving the goal posts" game. Going from "no board" to "any recently released". You are a world champion in this game!
I guess i have to concede. But wait, what is that?
A MSI MEG X570 Godlike appearing from the fog in the year 2019 and declaring you a sore loser. if only you were able to summon the dark magic known as "search engines", you could have avoided turning yourself into a clown.
You are quite nimble, i give you that. How light-footed you go from "no boards" to "any recently released boards" and then to "lmao thats 1 board" is quite impressive.
Ah, I see you have you clown shoes on. Makes it that much easier, right?
It's just a waiting game for me. The DDR4 platform is fully matured now and by 2022 it's EOL. As DDR5 will hit soon. This board is great esp for the OCers and also solid BIOS, plus it can run Win7 OS without issues just like Z390. I think even Z590 will be same. However that's where things get nasty, Z590 is also having Chipset Limit at 3.0 PCIe but the number of PCIe lanes are being updated for the RKL to gain parity with X570.
But the biggest elephant in the room is Ryzen 4000 / Vermeer / Zen 3. CCD having unified L3 and 8C advantage like 3300X got, it will net a good boost, adding the N7P (EUV) and the IPC improvements, the CML is dead for sure 10900K reign on gaming is going to end from what I'm seeing on how Ryzen progressed so far, big time with 3000 series, 3600/3300X to note.
Once Ryzen 4000 and X670 hits the market, I hope they have ASMedia SATA controllers and USB so that Win7 can be installed onto them, one final HW to make Win7 run for a long time for all the best games of past decade (X570 also can do it, Win7 so do X470) it will be great for DIY.
DX12 & Vulkan both run best w/ WDDM 2.0 which is Windows 10. That will not change. With DX12 Ultimate & DirectStorage in mind, there is zero chance you'll be better off w/ WIndows 7 rather than Windows 10 for gaming.
That said high-end motherboards are for prosumers in which Windows 7 is a non-starter for both perf & security reasons.
I know that, I want to get a stable Win7 installation on a latest HW so that I can play all past decade of games as already mentioned. WDDM is horrible aaS as a service garbage, Win10 2004 has new WDDM and with every Windows release they shove more bloatware and spyware trash into the OS, and making the OS uglier every time.
I know I can bypass it with DISM and other, I already have a clean ISO, the point is WIn7 is still supported by AMPERE and latest CDPR CB2077 supports Win7. DX12 support for Win7 exists, probably not in a full feature level 12_2 state but it supports. And x86 OS doesn't just die like that, it dies because M$ wants to chastitize all consumers to it's as a service bullshit and software crippling. Killing USB 3.0 drivers, NVMe drivers, SATA controller drivers etc.
The fact is X570 and Ryzen 3000 and Z490, with Intel 10th gen both boards and HW can support that OS through other means of PCIe expansion cards and etc.
You can play "all the last decade of games" on Windows 10, though.
Windows 7 died because it's 11 years old and no company wants to continue providing security updates for 11-year-old software that nobody's paying for. Microsoft have been trying to avoid a repeat of the debacle where all the Luddites tried to stay on Windows XP forever.
The tech industry never ceases to surprise me with how companies can continue to market products with progressively stupider and more childish marketing. It's like an eternal race to produce the most absurd sludge at the very bottom of the barrel.
You have no one but yourself to blame for allowing adulthood to slip through your fingers. Inward reflection as opposed to redirected aggression will be your best past forward.
Yes, like the pink and green polka dot My Little Pony visits the Cabbage Patch Kids’ patch motherboard with Intel’s skull SSD logo on it and extra Rainbow Brite LEDs. With a side of Smell-O-Vision and Pet Rock.
Nice looking board; no gamer brah marketing or BS or RGB. Also real heatsinks that probably actually work as heatsinks rather then metal fashion statements. From a ID perspective pretty much everyone else in the industry needs to take a page from EVGA.
its price for the feature set caters to a very tiny crowd of PC owners. nothing wrong with that but i just EVGA would release some other more sensible variants for the rest of the market.
People seem able to comprehend that SLI and Crossfire are dead, likely because corporations have told them so. But, they continue to buy into the very dead overclocking thing because companies don’t want to tell them it’s dead. Baaa...
Overclocking satisfies an emotional desire to create differences between peoples' computers that would otherwise consist of similar components. The idea of making those changes (and selling parts that supposedly permit it) is to establish a sense of uniqueness. Most people like to stand out or feel special so overclocking helps with that need even if it offers little in the way of practical benefits.
wish there were more boards nowadays that weren't covered in plastic junk. I mean this one has some, but not as much as a lot of them. I kinda like seeing the PCB and chips and traces and such. The "armor" covering so many new motherboards is awful looking
The plastic junk is there to cover a lazily designed heat sink. So instead of making a nice looking aluminum one, they just throw in whatever garbage on top to hide the ugly piece of metal
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meacupla - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
I wish EVGA would do an AMD board...shabby - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
Ryzen doesn't really overclock well so what's the point?ZeroPointEF - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
I am with meacupla. I really like the quality of EVGA and the company. I have been wishing that they would make motherboards for AMD and AMD graphics for years.Kougar - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
When there's only 4 manufacturers for AMD boards, more are needed. If you boycott MSI for its retaliatory, hostile practices with smaller review sites, that leaves three to pick from. If you boycott ASRock because they blacklisted Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus for showing how poor value and badly designed some models of their Intel / AMD boards were, then suddenly you only have GB or ASUS to pick from. And neither company did particularly well on the value or VRM aspects of their boards with B550 compared to MSI...silencer12 - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
I never seen that word "retaliatory". That's awesome. (Yes I know what it means because of the singular form.)8lec - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link
Well the b550 tuf from Asus ain't too bad. 2.5g intel lan, decent vrms, 7 usb ports. It's decent for the priceTheinsanegamerN - Sunday, September 13, 2020 - link
So....the solution to this is massively overpriced EVGA E-ATX boards? Or should I say board, since EVGA makes a whopping single model. Also, you do realize that outside of EVGA, intel LGA 1200 consumer boards are also only MSI, gigabye, asus, and asrock? Biostar makes boards for both when they are not asleep at the wheel, and there are not any other players left.silencer12 - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
Most people have a budget, so Ryzen makes sense.Jorgp2 - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
Have used EVGA boards, trust me you don't.vanish1 - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
No headphone jack, hard pass.ridic987 - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
Theres clearly a headphone jack.MrVibrato - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
I don't see no headphone jack. At least not a real one.A real headphone jack is a quarter inch. Not those little toy connectors.
The Chill Blueberry - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
Oh I didn't know we were gate keeping audio connectors that never came on motherboards anyway.MrVibrato - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
Now we do!MrVibrato - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
Not an attempt to spoil the fun, but look up MSI's X99A Godlike Gaming Carbon (What a majestic name! I will name my daughter after this board...)Lord of the Bored - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
Pfft. 1/4" is for children's toys. Get back to me when you have a board with XLR connectors for the audio.MrVibrato - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
Ah, the joy of getting a balanced smack across the face... ;-P8lec - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link
It's a joke 😋Hxx - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
No board has a 1/4 inch trs since board space is more important and simply because the difference between them 2 jacks is zero.MrVibrato - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
The next one claiming there are no motherboards with 1/4 inch jacks. This is hilarious!Hxx - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
oh yeah? any recently released boards u came across with a 1/4 inch jack? yeah i didnt think so daMrVibrato - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
Oh, playing the "moving the goal posts" game. Going from "no board" to "any recently released". You are a world champion in this game!I guess i have to concede. But wait, what is that?
A MSI MEG X570 Godlike appearing from the fog in the year 2019 and declaring you a sore loser. if only you were able to summon the dark magic known as "search engines", you could have avoided turning yourself into a clown.
Hxx - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
lmao thats 1 board. great hardly a feature worth even asking for.MrVibrato - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
You are quite nimble, i give you that. How light-footed you go from "no boards" to "any recently released boards" and then to "lmao thats 1 board" is quite impressive.Ah, I see you have you clown shoes on. Makes it that much easier, right?
8lec - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link
You've made my day MrVibrato. Thanks for all the laughsCullinaire - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
no agp slot, hard passteamet - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
no parallel connectors, hard passteamet - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
Is there even RS-232 on there?Tomatotech - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
No TURBO button, hard pass.voicequal - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
No floppy, pass.Holliday75 - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
No SF connector for my old IBM keyboard. Pass.Quantumz0d - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
It's just a waiting game for me. The DDR4 platform is fully matured now and by 2022 it's EOL. As DDR5 will hit soon. This board is great esp for the OCers and also solid BIOS, plus it can run Win7 OS without issues just like Z390. I think even Z590 will be same. However that's where things get nasty, Z590 is also having Chipset Limit at 3.0 PCIe but the number of PCIe lanes are being updated for the RKL to gain parity with X570.But the biggest elephant in the room is Ryzen 4000 / Vermeer / Zen 3. CCD having unified L3 and 8C advantage like 3300X got, it will net a good boost, adding the N7P (EUV) and the IPC improvements, the CML is dead for sure 10900K reign on gaming is going to end from what I'm seeing on how Ryzen progressed so far, big time with 3000 series, 3600/3300X to note.
Once Ryzen 4000 and X670 hits the market, I hope they have ASMedia SATA controllers and USB so that Win7 can be installed onto them, one final HW to make Win7 run for a long time for all the best games of past decade (X570 also can do it, Win7 so do X470) it will be great for DIY.
lilkwarrior - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
Windows 7 is EOL. Why on earth would you run that and lose out on massive perf gains of Windows 10?lilkwarrior - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
DX12 & Vulkan both run best w/ WDDM 2.0 which is Windows 10. That will not change. With DX12 Ultimate & DirectStorage in mind, there is zero chance you'll be better off w/ WIndows 7 rather than Windows 10 for gaming.That said high-end motherboards are for prosumers in which Windows 7 is a non-starter for both perf & security reasons.
Quantumz0d - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
I know that, I want to get a stable Win7 installation on a latest HW so that I can play all past decade of games as already mentioned. WDDM is horrible aaS as a service garbage, Win10 2004 has new WDDM and with every Windows release they shove more bloatware and spyware trash into the OS, and making the OS uglier every time.I know I can bypass it with DISM and other, I already have a clean ISO, the point is WIn7 is still supported by AMPERE and latest CDPR CB2077 supports Win7. DX12 support for Win7 exists, probably not in a full feature level 12_2 state but it supports. And x86 OS doesn't just die like that, it dies because M$ wants to chastitize all consumers to it's as a service bullshit and software crippling. Killing USB 3.0 drivers, NVMe drivers, SATA controller drivers etc.
The fact is X570 and Ryzen 3000 and Z490, with Intel 10th gen both boards and HW can support that OS through other means of PCIe expansion cards and etc.
PeachNCream - Thursday, September 10, 2020 - link
Suggestion - Buy hardware that is/was supported under Windows 7.Spunjji - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link
You can play "all the last decade of games" on Windows 10, though.Windows 7 died because it's 11 years old and no company wants to continue providing security updates for 11-year-old software that nobody's paying for. Microsoft have been trying to avoid a repeat of the debacle where all the Luddites tried to stay on Windows XP forever.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
The tech industry never ceases to surprise me with how companies can continue to market products with progressively stupider and more childish marketing. It's like an eternal race to produce the most absurd sludge at the very bottom of the barrel.diehardmacfan - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
Sorry, what about this is stupid marketing?Cullinaire - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
waaah here's a product marketed at another demographic other than mine which is all that matters, waaahPeachNCream - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
You have no one but yourself to blame for allowing adulthood to slip through your fingers. Inward reflection as opposed to redirected aggression will be your best past forward.Cullinaire - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
waaah here's a product marketed at another demographic other than mine which is all that matters, waaahOxford Guy - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
Yes, like the pink and green polka dot My Little Pony visits the Cabbage Patch Kids’ patch motherboard with Intel’s skull SSD logo on it and extra Rainbow Brite LEDs. With a side of Smell-O-Vision and Pet Rock.Spunjji - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link
I don't feel like this is any more or less dumb than the old DFI LanParty stuff, Gainward's "Golden Sample", or the Fatal1ty kit from the early 2000s.Operandi - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
Nice looking board; no gamer brah marketing or BS or RGB. Also real heatsinks that probably actually work as heatsinks rather then metal fashion statements. From a ID perspective pretty much everyone else in the industry needs to take a page from EVGA.Hxx - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
its price for the feature set caters to a very tiny crowd of PC owners. nothing wrong with that but i just EVGA would release some other more sensible variants for the rest of the market.alumine - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link
So does EVGA ship a bunch of these boards to Vince and he sits down and personally signs the box of every single one?Lord of the Bored - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
I would assume they ship him the flattened boxes to sign, then assemble and fill them when he's through.Spunjji - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link
Perhaps they ship him to the boxes 🤔Oxford Guy - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
Overclocking is as dead as Intel’s 14nnOxford Guy - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
People seem able to comprehend that SLI and Crossfire are dead, likely because corporations have told them so. But, they continue to buy into the very dead overclocking thing because companies don’t want to tell them it’s dead. Baaa...PeachNCream - Wednesday, September 9, 2020 - link
Overclocking satisfies an emotional desire to create differences between peoples' computers that would otherwise consist of similar components. The idea of making those changes (and selling parts that supposedly permit it) is to establish a sense of uniqueness. Most people like to stand out or feel special so overclocking helps with that need even if it offers little in the way of practical benefits.Spunjji - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link
Nailed it.MamiyaOtaru - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link
wish there were more boards nowadays that weren't covered in plastic junk. I mean this one has some, but not as much as a lot of them. I kinda like seeing the PCB and chips and traces and such. The "armor" covering so many new motherboards is awful lookingUdyr - Monday, September 21, 2020 - link
The plastic junk is there to cover a lazily designed heat sink. So instead of making a nice looking aluminum one, they just throw in whatever garbage on top to hide the ugly piece of metal