Doubtful that. Maybe firmware and/or driver improvements, to the extent there is an actual difference. Among other reasons, it is unlikely that they would do that much work and get noticeably better results without a full-throated blowing of the PR trumpets.
They might be binned parts that're faster at lower power levels; but otherwise I'd assume they're standard parts all around. A tweaked process would trigger top/bottom refreshes of the entire product line.
from launch price to greed priced 0 to 60 in .0001 seconds wait for it!
Still have yet to see any Radeon/Geforce anything close to MSRP for the last ~9 months or so (Geforce are "closer" to maintaining around MSRP values, but knowing Nv they made a hell of a chunk of extra coin in this time frame from over pricing, because they are KNOWN to do all kinds of whack BS to inflate their bottom line afterall)
usually in the range of 25-150% over MSRP asking price, could just be the resellers being fk putzes about it, could be the AIB (Asus etc) could even be the makers (AMD/Ngreedia) either way, no matter the cost they "claim" it will be, seems that this price disappears quicker than water in a hot desert O.o
For what its worth, I've seen some 1070s/1080s for MSRP in a couple places lately: Massdrop had one, Amazon did as part of a Gold Box, etc. Yes, this is partly because the Nvidia's next GPU release is impending, but it's still refreshing to see.
Having said that, the Vegas are still insanely expensive, and I think scarce HBM2 supplies are REALLY limiting the number of cards in the wild. (Something that's probably getting worse, not better, because the Kaby Lake-G chips have 4GB of HBM2 with them.)
That really depends. Back last fall I got my 1070 ITX for less than standard cards were retailing for, $400 while most 1070s I saw had lower clocks and slightly higher price tags.
Pretty sad for me that this card comes out now rather than last fall. Went for a 1070 over a Vega 56 completely off the back of the ITX form factor (I have a Silverstone SG09 and a PSU with inflexible cables, so the ITX form factor was a huge boon for airflow). However, AMD support for Linux is far superior to date, particularly on the rolling distros I lean toward. Can't have everything I guess.
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jtd871 - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link
Anton, is it possible that these are being produced on an optimized process node (maybe with logic optimization/tweaks) to help with thermals?The Hardcard - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link
Doubtful that. Maybe firmware and/or driver improvements, to the extent there is an actual difference. Among other reasons, it is unlikely that they would do that much work and get noticeably better results without a full-throated blowing of the PR trumpets.DanNeely - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link
They might be binned parts that're faster at lower power levels; but otherwise I'd assume they're standard parts all around. A tweaked process would trigger top/bottom refreshes of the entire product line.Dragonstongue - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link
from launch price to greed priced 0 to 60 in .0001 seconds wait for it!Still have yet to see any Radeon/Geforce anything close to MSRP for the last ~9 months or so
(Geforce are "closer" to maintaining around MSRP values, but knowing Nv they made a hell of a chunk of extra coin in this time frame from over pricing, because they are KNOWN to do all kinds of whack BS to inflate their bottom line afterall)
usually in the range of 25-150% over MSRP asking price, could just be the resellers being fk putzes about it, could be the AIB (Asus etc) could even be the makers (AMD/Ngreedia) either way, no matter the cost they "claim" it will be, seems that this price disappears quicker than water in a hot desert O.o
StevoLincolnite - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
So glad I got my RX 580 when I did before crap got silly on the pricing front.sing_electric - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
For what its worth, I've seen some 1070s/1080s for MSRP in a couple places lately: Massdrop had one, Amazon did as part of a Gold Box, etc. Yes, this is partly because the Nvidia's next GPU release is impending, but it's still refreshing to see.Having said that, the Vegas are still insanely expensive, and I think scarce HBM2 supplies are REALLY limiting the number of cards in the wild. (Something that's probably getting worse, not better, because the Kaby Lake-G chips have 4GB of HBM2 with them.)
zodiacfml - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link
I do not want to see a price premium. It should be cheaper than any Vega 56 due to lower performanceartk2219 - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
You would think that, but it also comes in a much smaller foot print, and they wont sell as many of these. You pay extra for that ITX form factor.lmcd - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
That really depends. Back last fall I got my 1070 ITX for less than standard cards were retailing for, $400 while most 1070s I saw had lower clocks and slightly higher price tags.lmcd - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link
Pretty sad for me that this card comes out now rather than last fall. Went for a 1070 over a Vega 56 completely off the back of the ITX form factor (I have a Silverstone SG09 and a PSU with inflexible cables, so the ITX form factor was a huge boon for airflow). However, AMD support for Linux is far superior to date, particularly on the rolling distros I lean toward. Can't have everything I guess.