AMD Q4: 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X, Threadripper Up To 32-Core 3970X, Coming November 25th
by Dr. Ian Cutress on November 7, 2019 9:00 AM ESTAMD Athlon 3000G: Aligning Names and Numbers at $49
The odd-one out from today’s announcement is a processor at the other end of the portfolio. To put it into context, if a user wants to jump on board the 7nm and Zen 2 bandwagon, the entry price point is $199 for the Ryzen 5 3600. Below that we have older hardware based on Zen 1, and AMD’s APU line of processors featuring integrated graphics. The new Athlon 3000G sits firmly in this category, and aims to be a very interesting processor indeed.
The Athlon 3000G is a 35W dual core Zen+ processor with 3 compute units of Vega graphics, built on 12nm and falls in the Picasso family of hardware. It doesn’t have any turbo, but does have a nominal frequency of 3.5 GHz on the CPU and 1100 MHz on the GPU. Supported memory speeds are DDR4-2933 and it can support up to 64 GB. It will come bundled with AMD’s 65W near-silent stock cooler, which is absolutely overkill for this product.
If a dual core Zen+ Picasso APU sounds familiar, it’s because AMD already has a processor that fits the bill: the AMD Athlon 300GE. Following previous convention, I would have expected AMD to call this new processor the 320GE, as it has +100 MHz more on the CPU. However, AMD are changing the naming for two reasons.
First, to align it more with the Ryzen family. With the Ryzen 3000 series starting with the Ryzen 3 3200G for the 65W Zen+ APUs, moving into the Ryzen 5 3600 for the 65 W desktop Zen 2 CPUs, each of these are four digits plus a letter. By moving to 3000G, it allows AMD to equate the two families together (even if there’s still an APU/desktop CPU microarchitecture mismatch).
AMD AM4 APU List | ||||||
AnandTech | Cores Threads |
Base Freq |
Turbo Freq |
Vega CUs |
TDP | Price |
12nm Zen+ - Picasso | ||||||
Ryzen 5 3400G | 4 / 8 | 3700 | 4200 | 11 | 65 W | $149 |
Ryzen 3 3200G | 4 / 4 | 3600 | 4000 | 8 | 65 W | $99 |
Athlon 3000G | 2 / 4 | 3500 | - | 3 | 35 W | $49 |
Athlon Pro 300GE | 2 / 4 | 3400 | - | 3 | 35 W | - |
14nm Zen - Raven Ridge | ||||||
Ryzen 5 2400G | 4 / 8 | 3600 | 3900 | 11 | 65 W | $169 |
Ryzen 5 2400GE | 4 / 8 | 3200 | 3800 | 11 | 35 W | - |
Ryzen 3 2200G | 4 / 4 | 3500 | 3700 | 8 | 65 W | $99 |
Ryzen 3 2200GE | 4 / 4 | 3200 | 3600 | 8 | 35 W | - |
Athlon 240GE | 2 / 4 | 3500 | - | 3 | 35 W | $75 |
Athlon 220GE | 2 / 4 | 3400 | - | 3 | 35 W | $65 |
Athlon 200GE | 2 / 4 | 3200 | - | 3 | 35 W | $55 |
The other aspect is that the Athlon 3000G is also unlocked. AMD touts the 3000G as the first AM4 Athlon that is fully unlocked for overclocking, allowing users to adjust the CPU multiplier as high as their dreams desire (or to the limits of the silicon). As AMD is pairing the CPU with its 65W cooler, that means a lot of users, as long as the motherboard supports overclocking, should be able to push their CPU a bit higher. AMD stated that the +400 MHz in the slide deck for our briefing would represent a ‘typical’ overclock for an end-user, but then clarified they did use a high-end cooler to achieve that value. Nonetheless, an unlocked $49 chip with a cooler than can handle double the TDP could be exciting for users wanting to test their overclocking skills.
The other feather in AMD’s cap for this new chip is that it competes against Intel’s Celeron and Pentium desktop processors. Given the high demand for Intel's high-end 14nm products, the Pentium and Celeron parts have been available in relatively low in volumes as they don’t make as much money, especially when high-end demand is high. In that instance, AMD has the advantage as the company stated that there will be plenty of Athlon silicon to go around.
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quadibloc - Monday, November 11, 2019 - link
Well, now we know why the 3950X was delayed in availability. It is strongly recommended to use a large, nearly top-end, AIO water cooler with it, and it also needs the most recent BIOS updates to work. Still, it's an impressive chip even if it did take them a little extra time to get it right.umano - Monday, November 11, 2019 - link
If they released the 3950x I already had bought it, but with zen 3 coming in q2 I think I will buy a ryzen 4000 laptop first and then I will replace my desktop, hoping that someone will make a premium content creator itx board for 16 cores CPU. I mean 2x nvme, 10gbe and thunderboltumano - Monday, November 11, 2019 - link
" If they had released the 3950x on september"peevee - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
AMD (or Intel), here is what I want:CPU package, potentially containing at least 2 chips (CPU or GPU), having DDR5 SODIMM slots on the 4 sides of the package to minimize physical wire length and thus latency and power, each slot on its own channel. 256 bit configuration makes decent built-in GPU possible, and that is what I specifically want - 8-core CPU chip (with large shared L3 cache) and GPU chip capable of saturating the 256-bit DDR5 memory (but other configurations are possible).
This package would only need power, PCIe and Thunderbolt 3/USB4 lines coming out of it (including carrying video and audio). Relatively small and simple connector with large contact separation as most contacts are for memory in today's CPUs. Simple MB with just a few layers. Cheap!
No chipset on the motherboard. No network, no Wifi, no separate sound (USB sound adapters are fine), no SATA controllers... Give me slots to install just what I want, and replace when I want (of course other MB models can contain stuff embedded).
1 PCIe4 (5 in the future) x16, two x8 (if any are populated, it is OK making x16 slot working in x8 mode.
Min two more x4 PCIe slots and 2 x4 NVMe slots.
Give me graphics cards containing the same chip as in the CPU above, with 4 SODIMM DDR5 slots each. Able to supplement the GPU in the CPU module, not replace it! Up to 3 external GPU cards for 4x performance of the embedded one.
True modular approach a desktop system supposed to be.
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