The AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review: A Simpler Slice of V-Cache For Gaming
by Gavin Bonshor on April 5, 2023 9:00 AM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
- AMD
- Zen 4
- AM5
- Ryzen 7000
- 3D V-Cache
- Ryzen 7 7800X3D
CPU Benchmark Performance: Power And Office
Our previous sets of ‘office’ benchmarks have often been a mix of science and synthetics, so this time we wanted to keep our office section purely on real-world performance. We've also incorporated our power testing into this section too.
The biggest update to our Office-focused tests for 2023 and beyond include UL's Procyon software, which is the successor to PCMark. Procyon benchmarks office performance using Microsoft Office applications, as well as Adobe's Photoshop/Lightroom photo editing software, and Adobe Premier Pro's video editing capabilities. Due to issues with UL Procyon and the video editing test, we haven't been able to properly run these, but once we identify a fix with UL, we will re-test each chip.
We are using DDR5 memory on the Ryzen 7 78000X3D and the other Ryzen 7000 series we've tested. This also includes Intel's 13th and 12th Gen processors. We tested the aforementioned platforms with the following settings:
- DDR5-5600B CL46 - Intel 13th Gen
- DDR5-5200 CL44 - Ryzen 7000
- DDR5-4800 (B) CL40 - Intel 12th Gen
All other CPUs such as Ryzen 5000 and 3000 were tested at the relevant JEDEC settings as per the processor's individual memory support with DDR4.
Power
The nature of reporting processor power consumption has become, in part, a bit of a nightmare. Historically the peak power consumption of a processor, as purchased, is given by its Thermal Design Power (TDP, or PL1). For many markets, such as embedded processors, that value of TDP still signifies the peak power consumption. For the processors we test at AnandTech, either desktop, notebook, or enterprise, this is not always the case.
Modern high-performance processors implement a feature called Turbo. This allows, usually for a limited time, a processor to go beyond its rated frequency. Exactly how far the processor goes depends on a few factors, such as the Turbo Power Limit (PL2), whether the peak frequency is hard coded, the thermals, and the power delivery. Turbo can sometimes be very aggressive, allowing power values 2.5x above the rated TDP.
AMD and Intel have different definitions for TDP that are, broadly speaking, applied the same. The difference comes from turbo modes, turbo limits, turbo budgets, and how the processors manage that power balance. These topics are 10000-12000 word articles in their own right, and we’ve got a few articles worth reading on the topic.
- Why Intel Processors Draw More Power Than Expected: TDP and Turbo Explained
- Talking TDP, Turbo and Overclocking: An Interview with Intel Fellow Guy Therien
- Reaching for Turbo: Aligning Perception with AMD’s Frequency Metrics
- Intel’s TDP Shenanigans Hurts Everyone
Ignoring the fact (only for a moment) that the Ryzen 7 7800X3D has a massive 96 MB of L3 cache that's packaged onto the die through their 3D V-Cache packaging technology, the power efficiency on display from an 8-core part is impressive. Even compared to AMD's own 6-core Ryzen 5 7600 with a base TDP of 65 W, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D pulled 82 W at full load, a whole 8 W watts less than the lower-powered chip. The Ryzen 7 7800X3D has a default TDP of 120 W, while the Power Package Tracking (PPT) allows up to 162 W of power to be drawn directly from the CPU socket.
Going further into our analysis of the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, we can see that under Prime95 at full load, power is consistently delivered to the chip. Aside from the ramp up at the beginning of the test and the ramp down at the end, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D consistently drew between 80 W and 82.3 W for the duration of our test. This is at default settings, and there's a small chance that removing all of the PPT/EDC/TDC limits within AMD's Ryzen Master overclocking utility might allow for more power from the socket.
Any additional power is not likely to be a great amount, if any at all. This is because AMD's 3D V-Cache is quite sensitive to voltage. As a result of this, AMD has locked down ALL of the AMD Ryzen 7000X3D chips outside of Precision Boost Overdrive and applied AMD EXPO memory profiles, which is also technically overclocking.
When we examined the performance of the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D during gaming, we noticed some intriguing power-related findings. We ran F1 2022 for one lap at high settings in both 1080p and 4K resolutions. Despite using the same settings, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D consumed more power at 4K compared to 1080p. During our 1080p testing, the CPU power varied between 30 and 42 watts throughout the lap. However, when we switched to 4K, the CPU power was higher, ranging between 32 and 58 Watts depending on the CPU load at different points of the lap.
When comparing the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D to the more expensive Ryzen 9 7950X3D, we noticed that the latter draws the most power when gaming at 1080p in F1 2022 with high settings. This is because 1080p is a resolution that relies more on CPU power than GPU power. During our testing, we observed power levels ranging between 71 and 76 watts on the 7950X3D at 1080p. However, when we switched to 4K, which is more GPU-dependent, the power draw on the 7950X ranged between 55 and 70 watts during our test run.
The behavior of the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D while gaming becomes even more intriguing and slightly strange, as it draws more power from the CPU at 4K than at 1080p. Although we cannot determine the exact reason for this, we do know that some CPU-driven visual effects in modern games are resolution sensitive, meaning there are edge cases where portions of the CPU workload can increase.
In terms of power efficiency, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D outperforms the Ryzen 9 7950X3D. Despite this, both chips displayed almost identical performance in our 1080p and 4K F1 2022 test results. You can see more detailed information about this in our gaming-specific data.
Office/Web
In the office and web-based section of our CPU suite, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, we started to get similar vibes to how the Ryzen 7 5800X3D performed last year compared to the competition. In our UL Proycon Office benchmark, we didn't see the expected performance levels as the 8C/16T Ryzen 7 7700 outperformed the more expensive chip here. The Ryzen 7 7800X3D did perform better in the photo editing section of the UL Procyon suite, although it was only marginally better than the Ryzen 7 7700.
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Nerdhard - Friday, April 7, 2023 - link
Your test results make absolutely no sense, none.MetalScythe - Sunday, April 9, 2023 - link
Especially compared to -every- other publication that’s reviewed this CPU. Going by this review, you’d think it’s crap at gaming. Pure insanity.zodiacfml - Thursday, April 6, 2023 - link
with this logic, its the i3s and 5600g are the winners as the performance/price is highest. I'm quite impressed they're holding up well even at the lowest resolutions or fastest GPUs.Ruklaw - Thursday, April 6, 2023 - link
Are the power readings derived from what the processor itself is reporting?My impression is that AMD processors tend to under-report, as the low power readings from the cpu don't quite seem to match up with the readings of whole system power where I've been able to find them.
Obviously motherboard is going to be a big factor in how much power the system uses but with all else being equal the system power is going to be more representative of what we actually have to deal with (in terms of heat and energy cost).
Nerdhard - Thursday, April 6, 2023 - link
I’m genuinely baffled by your testing, you kneecapped Intel to give AMD a win; who the hell buys a 13900KS and uses crap memory?Worst test I’ve ever seen.
Ryan Smith - Friday, April 7, 2023 - link
The memory we used, that is following a long-standing testing policy with the site. We test CPUs with the fastest memory they officially support. Overclocked memory a) Voids your processor warranty, and b) Isn't guaranteed - which is to say that you can't RMA a chip because it doesn't overclock to some specified frequency.We've had discussions with AMD and Intel on the matter before. If they change these two policies, we'd be happy to update our testing policies to match. Otherwise, our preference is to stick to settings that won't break your processor, and represent a level of performance that all chips will attain, rather than a level of performance that a subset of chips may attain.
duploxxx - Friday, April 7, 2023 - link
Wel. Your comment can get to the usual list of worst as usual.It is clearly explained why and used for a long time for years.
Who the hell buys the worst cpu ever the 13900ks anyhow... Yes stupidity exists... Power consumption will solve all issues :)
Anyhow scaling works on all platforms and often depending on game.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2635-ryzen-7950x3d...
MetalScythe - Sunday, April 9, 2023 - link
I’m guessing this is the very same Nerdhard from WCCFkek…MetalScythe - Sunday, April 9, 2023 - link
Anandtech really should update the games they use to benchmark…MetalScythe - Sunday, April 9, 2023 - link
Going by this review, and the unexplained blatantly elderly games used to review the CPU; you would think it’s an absolute dog at gaming.Reality couldn’t be farther from the truth. This site has fallen so far from relevance… it’s saddening.