Qualcomm Details The Snapdragon 888: 3rd Gen 5G & Cortex-X1 on 5nm
by Andrei Frumusanu on December 2, 2020 10:00 AM EST- Posted in
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- Qualcomm
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- Cortex A78
- Cortex X1
- Snapdragon 888
This year although we’re not reporting from Hawaii, Qualcomm’s Tech Summit is still happening in digital form, representing the company’s most important launch event of the year as it showcases the new flagship products that will power next year’s smartphones. Qualcomm yesterday announced the new Snapdragon 888 SoC and platform, and today we’re going in-depth into the specifications and features of the new silicon design.
The Snapdragon 888 is a big leap for Qualcomm, so much so that they’ve veered off from their usual naming scheme increments this generation and even skipped the 87x series altogether. The 888 number is not there only for marketing purposes as it represents fortune and luck in Chinese, but the new SoC has some substantial generational changes that sets it apart from the usual yearly improvements of past.
Featuring the first ever implementation of a Cortex-X1 CPU core as its performance engine, new Cortex-A78 cores for efficiency, a massive +35% boost in GPU performance, a totally new DSP/NPU IP redesigned from the ground up, triple camera ISPs, integrated 5G modem, all manufactured on a new 5nm process node, the new Snapdragon 888 touches and updates almost every part of the SoC design with significant uplifts in performance and capabilities. There is a lot to cover, so let’s go over the details piece by piece:
Qualcomm Snapdragon Flagship SoCs 2020-2021 | |||
SoC | Snapdragon 865 |
Snapdragon 888 |
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CPU | 1x Cortex-A77 @ 2.84GHz 1x512KB pL2 3x Cortex-A77 @ 2.42GHz 3x256KB pL2 4x Cortex-A55 @ 1.80GHz 4x128KB pL2 4MB sL3 |
1x Cortex-X1 @ 2.84GHz 1x1024KB pL2 3x Cortex-A78 @ 2.42GHz 3x512KB pL2 4x Cortex-A55 @ 1.80GHz 4x128KB pL2 4MB sL3 |
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GPU | Adreno 650 @ 587 MHz |
Adreno 660 @ ?MHz +35% perf |
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DSP / NPU | Hexagon 698 15 TOPS AI (Total CPU+GPU+HVX+Tensor) |
Hexagon 780 26 TOPS AI (Total CPU+GPU+HVX+Tensor) |
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Memory Controller |
4x 16-bit CH @ 2133MHz LPDDR4X / 33.4GB/s or @ 2750MHz LPDDR5 / 44.0GB/s 3MB system level cache |
4x 16-bit CH @ 3200MHz LPDDR5 / 51.2GB/s 3MB system level cache |
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ISP/Camera | Dual 14-bit Spectra 480 ISP 1x 200MP or 64MP with ZSL or 2x 25MP with ZSL 4K video & 64MP burst capture |
Triple 14-bit Spectra 580 ISP 1x 200MP or 84MP with ZSL or 64+25MP with ZSL or 3x 28MP with ZSL 4K video & 64MP burst capture |
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Encode/ Decode |
8K30 / 4K120 10-bit H.265 Dolby Vision, HDR10+, HDR10, HLG 720p960 infinite recording |
8K30 / 4K120 10-bit H.265 Dolby Vision, HDR10+, HDR10, HLG 720p960 infinite recording |
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Integrated Modem | none (Paired with external X55 only) (LTE Category 24/22) DL = 2500 Mbps 7x20MHz CA, 1024-QAM UL = 316 Mbps 3x20MHz CA, 256-QAM (5G NR Sub-6 + mmWave) DL = 7000 Mbps UL = 3000 Mbps |
X60 integrated (LTE Category 24/22) DL = 2500 Mbps 7x20MHz CA, 1024-QAM UL = 316 Mbps 3x20MHz CA, 256-QAM (5G NR Sub-6 + mmWave) DL = 7500 Mbps UL = 3000 Mbps |
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Mfc. Process | TSMC 7nm (N7P) |
Samsung 5nm (5LPE) |
Re-integration of the 5G modem into the SoC
The most important aspect for this year’s design is the fact that Qualcomm is going back to an fully integrated modem design, contrasting last year’s surprising choice of the Snapdragon 865 not containing any modem at all and having instead to rely on the external X55 modem.
Last year’s rationale of going with an external modem was said to have been a practical one, stemming from the fact that 5G was still in its early stages and that many vendors had to make a lot of design efforts when designing their new handsets for 5G. A external 5G modem such as the X55 helped the 5G transition as it was available to vendors earlier than the Snapdragon 865 SoC itself, allowing them to design their RF systems before having access to the newest SoC.
This year, the market has evolved and is more mature, and Qualcomm chose to re-integrate the modem into the same silicon die as the SoC. The new X60 modem subsystem is the company’s 3rd generation 5G design and brings new capabilities in terms of carrier aggregation and 5G frequency band interoperability.
The platform’s reabsorption of the modem into the SoC die should signify better power efficiency, lower platform cost as well as lower PCB complexity for smartphone vendors.
2020 certainly was the year that 5G became a mainstream feature amongst device vendors, with essentially everybody adopting the new standard into their flagship and even mid-range devices. The new X60 modem will further mature the 5G experience by providing more flexibility to network operators in terms of frequency band support.
mmWave in particular has been a rather contentious aspect of 5G in 2020 as network deployments has been rather scarce and limited to US cities, with users reporting spotty reception with a larger impact on battery life. mmWave network expansion is progressing at a steady pace, and Qualcomm states that the new Snapdragon 888 platform completely solves the power efficiency concerns around mmWave usage. Hopefully 2021 will be the year where mmWave becomes a lot more useful and practical for users.
Whilst mmWave is expected to still be relatively niche for the vast majority of users, Sub-6GHz will be the workhorse of 5G, and here we’re seeing rapid expansion and deployments in countries all over the world. The new X60’s modem capability of allowing for carrier aggregation between FDD (Frequency Division Duplex, dedicated frequency bands between upload & download) and TDD (Time Division Duplex, upload & download in the same frequency band) means that network carriers will be able to mix and match more available Sub-6GHz spectrum together for even greater bandwidth.
DSS, or dynamic spectrum sharing, is also going to be a key technology enabling network operators to migrate existing LTE frequency bands to 5G NR dynamically based on the organic LTE/5G user demand – meaning that the frequency spectrum doesn’t need to be segregated for each technology, thus allowing more actual usable bandwidth for both types of users in the first few years and consumers switch over to 5G-capable handsets.
Manufactured on Samsung 5nm / 5LPE
The new Snapdragon 888 is making the transition from 7nm to 5nm, but the new design doesn’t merely make a process shift, it’s also making a foundry shift. After being with TSMC for the 7nm generations of the Snapdragon 855 and Snapdragon 865, Qualcomm is now switching back to Samsung Foundry and their new 5LPE process node for the new Snapdragon 888.
Qualcomm in recent years had been dual-sourcing from both TSMC and Samsung depending on the SoC design and product range, but in the high-end flagship SoC segment the company seems to have always chosen the technologically superior node as it had larger implications for the competitiveness of those parts. N7 and N7P were clear winning choices for the S855 and S865 as Samsung’s own 7LPP process was kind of late, and didn’t seem to be quite as good as TSMC’s variants. Qualcomm notably still used the 7LPP node on this year’s Snapdragon 765 SoC which has seen a lot of success in the premium range of device designs, however we had noted earlier in the year that it didn’t appear to be nearly as efficient as the TSMC-manufactured flagship SoC.
This year’s choice of switching back to a Samsung process for the flagship SoC seems to be a vote of confidence in the new process node- as otherwise Qualcomm likely wouldn’t have made the switch. Versus 7LPP, Samsung promises a 20% decrease in power consumption at the same performance, or a 10% increase in performance at the same power, together with a +-20% area reduction. How these figures will translate over to practical improvements for the new Snapdragon 888 remains to be seen.
Another rationale for the foundry switch could be manufacturing capacity. As Apple is eating up a lot of TSMC’s early 5nm capacity with the A14 and M1, Qualcomm probably saw Samsung’s 5LPE as the safer choice this year as the new Snapdragon 888 may be manufactured in the new dedicated EUV V1 line at Hwaesong.
It’ll be hard to gauge the process node switch for this generation as we don’t expect to see a similar design on TSMC’s 5nm node – unless MediaTek somehow has a new Cortex-X1 SoC in the pipeline for next year.
Powered by Cortex-X1 and Cortex-A78 CPUs
The Snapdragon 888 is the first publicly announced SoC powered by the new Cortex-X1 and Cortex-A78 CPU IPs by Arm. The Cortex-X1 in particular is the first of a new generation of CPU IP by Arm that focuses on maximising performance at the cost of lesser power efficiency, while the Cortex-A78 being the same-generation design but which still prioritises a balance between performance, power and area.
The new X1 core, based on Arm’s numbers, promised a +30% uplift in IPC over the last generation Cortex-A77 which was also deployed in the Snapdragon 865. Qualcomm advertises a 25% uplift over the Snapdragon 865, but that’s likely due to a few configuration differences on the part of the new Snapdragon 888 compared to Arm’s own internal figures.
The S888 continues to use a 1+3+4 CPU setup this generation, with the big difference being that instead of using the same CPU IP with a different physical implementation, the new 1+3 big cores are actually of different microarchitectures.
The “prime” performance core as Qualcomm likes to call it is the new Cortex-X1 design, clocking in at the same 2.84GHz as the Snapdragon 865’s prime core. The new core is configured with the maximum 1MB of L2 cache.
What stood out for me during our briefing of the new chip is that the clock frequency of the new design isn’t all very aggressive at all. Qualcomm’s 25% performance boost is in comparison to the vanilla Snapdragon 865 which also came at the same frequency. Compared to the Snapdragon 865+ which clocks in at 3.09GHz, this performance advantage should reduce to only 13%, which is less impressive.
Qualcomm’s 25% generational boost is also less than Arm’s advertised 30% as the new S888 continues to use a 4MB L3 cache for the CPU cluster, versus Arm’s envisioned 8MB configuration for a high-end 5nm SoC with the new X1 cores. Qualcomm explained to us that this was simply a balance between cost, implementation effort, and diminishing returns of a higher cache configuration design.
What this all means is that there’s a high chance that the Snapdragon 888 won’t be holding the Android CPU performance crown next year if Samsung’s next-gen Exynos SoC is even a little more aggressive in terms of clocks or cache configurations.
The high-performance X1 cores is joined by three Cortex-A78 cores clocking in at up to 2.4GHz, serving as the every-day workhorse CPUs for most computational tasks. In terms of cache, the new cores see their L2 doubled up from 256KB to 512KB.
One aspect I was interested in finding out is whether the new design still continues Qualcomm choice of fitting all the big cores together on a single voltage plane, which oddly enough, also seems to be the case for the new Snapdragon 888. This means that while the X1 and A78 cores can run at different frequencies, they’re all powered by the minimum voltage of either operating frequency at any one time. Qualcomm explains that this is again a practical choice surrounding the design complexity of the power delivery system, particularly mentioning that the X1 core can take advantage of the increased capacitance available from the larger shared power plane. Whilst this has worked well for the Snapdragon 855 and 865, I wonder that given the new X1 core’s increased performance and dynamic range, if the company isn’t leaving further performance or efficiency gains on the table for the sake of lower power delivery design cost. It’ll be interesting to see how other SoC vendors tackle their X1 implementations.
Finally, the big cores are again accompanied by four Cortex-A55 cores. This year the company yet again clocks them at 1.8GHz, which makes this the 4th generation SoC with an essentially identical configuration of little cores, which is a bit disappointing. Qualcomm can’t do much here as there’s simply a need for a new little core CPU IP, something which we’ll hopefully see released next year in 2021 for 2022 SoCs.
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powermacg5@ - Thursday, December 3, 2020 - link
Hello everyone. Excuse my ignorance. Difference between 11 Apple A14 AI teraflops and 26 teraflops AI Snapdragon 888. Even the 865, seems to have more teraflops than the A13, but I can't quite understand the difference in normal use. It does not seem to me that the various terminals that use Snapdragon, make great use of AI.The Hardcard - Thursday, December 3, 2020 - link
AI bragging usually involves integer operations as they work for inference and ALUs of all types can do more of them than floating points. So TOPS, not teraflops.I don’t know if the full comparison is available because Qualcomm’s figure includes every unit on the SOC without breaking down how many are from CPU, how many from GPU, and how many are Hexagon.
Apple’s figure is just from the Neural Engine. They use their GPU, but I haven’t seen them give a public figure. The also brag about putting matrix accelerators in the CPU (big cores only?) but don’t get into how many TOPS the whole SOC can do. Maybe it’s in the developer docs?
techconc - Thursday, December 3, 2020 - link
It's important to note that these "TOPS" ratings are marketing driven and not an Apples to Apples comparison. Apple advertises the speed of their Neural Engine only (11 TOPS). Qualcomm's advertised TOPs number represents the theoretical capacity of ALL of their computing units including CPU, GPU, DSP, etc. Apple's number would be much higher as well if they included all of those other things not to mention their dedicated matrix multiplication units, etc.powermacg5@ - Thursday, December 3, 2020 - link
Hello everyone. Excuse my ignorance. Difference between 11 Apple A14 AI teraflops and 26 teraflops AI Snapdragon 888. Even the 865, seems to have more teraflops than the A13, but I can't quite understand the difference in normal use. It does not seem to me that the various terminals that use Snapdragon, make great use of AI.iphonebestgamephone - Thursday, December 3, 2020 - link
Better data gathering.Anymoore - Thursday, December 3, 2020 - link
Qualcomm mentioned "most advanced 5nm", that's not Samsung, especially not LPEarly version of it.kwinz - Thursday, December 3, 2020 - link
Thats disappointing. Especially no AV1 hardware decode.techconc - Thursday, December 3, 2020 - link
"Another rationale for the foundry switch could be manufacturing capacity. As Apple is eating up a lot of TSMC’s early 5nm capacity with the A14 and M1, Qualcomm probably saw Samsung’s 5LPE as the safer choice this year..."This is the most likely scenario and justification to move to Samsung.
techconc - Thursday, December 3, 2020 - link
"One interesting capability that Qualcomm was advertising is triple-stream 4K HDR video recording. That’s a bit of an odd-ball use-case as I do wonder about the practical benefits..."Nothing oddball about it. Apple's A13 has this capability as well. There are pro apps like Filmic Pro which allow you to do things like capture a documentary type of interview on multiple cams at the same time. It may be something of an edge case, but it can be useful. It makes sense that Android phones start to get some parity on this type of feature.
Plumplum - Saturday, December 5, 2020 - link
Many things on this 888 are old...About this triple stream 4k HDR, not only Mediatek Dimensity 1000 has it, but 820 and 800 have it too...
We can notice the 3 ISP too...avaiblable since...Helio P60...even Unisoc has soc with 3 ISP!
If market wasn't ruled by Qualcomm, we would already have zooming capabilities across 3 cameras for a long time like Apple does.
Still no AV1 hardware support...Qualcomm want us to pay licences for mpeg5!
At least 888 is able to do 5g carrier aggregation. 865 wasn't...it means, until mmwave will be available in many years, in many countries, even a Dimensity 700 would be able to reach faster 5g speed than 865.
Plus 5nm from Samsung, not that much better than TSMC's 7nm.
TSMC's 7FF : 96.5Mtransistors/mm2
TSMC's 7FFP : 113.9
Samsung 5LPE : 126.5
TSMC's N5 : 173.1
Efficiency won't be as good on 5LPE!